Homosexuals are Population control.
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Homosexuals are Population control.
Many evolutionary biologists have wrestled with the widespread presence of homosexuality in human populations. Essentially, their quandry is not that homosexuality is present in large numbers (2-3% at most in any population), but that it is found in virtually all cultures and societies at least to some degree. Evolutionarily, this implies that there is some evolutionary benefit and some genetic component, which usually means it contributes to survival and reproductive success in some way. But how can that be when homosexuals reproduce at a far lesser rate than heterosexuals? The original sociobiologist, E. O. Wilson, stated the problem this way: "The homosexual state itself results in inferior genetic fitness, because of course homosexual men marry much less frequently and have far fewer children than their unambiguously heterosexual counterparts." (Sociobiology: The New Synthesis, Belknap/Harvard, 1975, p. 555.) Evolutionary explanations require an immediate genetic benefit for the individual expressing the trait or behavior. Things such as "population control," as you suggest, require a cooperative spirit (technically referred to as group selection) that is normally considered outside direct genetic influence and is therefore rejected by most evolutionary biologists.
Most evolutionary biologists have tried to deal with the problem by one of two suggestions. First, the genes involving homosexuality (if there are indeed any at all, but so far there is no evidence for any) could be advantageous somehow in the heterozygous state (individuals who have one copy of a gene leading to homosexuality but not both and therefore not truly expressing the trait), and therefore the gene or genes are kept in the population that way even though when both copies are expressed in the same individual (homozygosity) reproduction is prevented. Second, some have suggested that homosexuals may gain a genetic fitness by being primarily helpers in raising offspring of their brothers and sisters, therefore preserving their own genes through aiding the survival of their nieces and nephews who carry about 1/8 of their own genes (technically referred to as kin selection). Aiding the survival of eight or more such nieces and nephews preserves a full complement of your genes into the next generation which is how natural selection supposedly works. Both of these options may at first sound reasonable but, neither of these options has a shred of evidence in support of it.
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I don't have problems with homosexual people either,but,I do have problems with the ones who dress themselves like humanoid peacocks...
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Clearly the person who wrote that is homophobic...
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And clearly the person who made this topic was bored.
I mean does anyone else agree that gays are a form of population control
I mean does anyone else agree that gays are a form of population control
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Gays don't have that much effect on birth/death rate to be a form of population control
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I don't agree with this sh*t. I mean,population control? Looks like some kind of pre-made thing. Maybe it is Xenu's fault...
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... I'm not even gonna start dissecting this. The origins weren't
of this forum, I have no method of talking with 'Ray Bohlin', and
it has no substance beyond an idle man's speculation anyway.
Edit: Oh, no, I don't agree Kentaru. If it was inherently
advantageous, much more if not all people would have the trait
as per evolution.
- Reasoning:
- This doesn't sit with me because it's too vague gene wise, how
do genetics keep strong if the only described method of passing
them on is indirect and very diluted?
You'd think, if this was the case, that the genetic's percents
would dwindle greatly the longer it was present.
Even red hair, which even by normal standards doesn't nearly as
much impact it's own gene's survival as Homosexuality does, is
being diluted out, as noted (albeit comically) in the media here
a while back.
Homosexuality's presence hasn't notably or noticeably dwindled,
thus I call bullshit. *shrugs*
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im out of this topic and i also don't care about gays -execpt for "those" who just rape you out of no were then it would be a problem-
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I should lock this before Eredale gets here...
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K E N T A R U wrote:[...]"The homosexual state itself results in inferior genetic fitness, [...]
[...]preserving their own genes[...]preserves a full complement of your genes into the next generation[...]natural selection[...]
Yep. Homosexuality is a mechanism that allows the natural selections to prevent inferior genetic components into the future generations, thus cleansing the gene pool. Homosexuals should each get a Darvin's award for that, mhm. I am holding fists for that man.
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Why kill the fun?
Indeed.
Indeed.
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Eredale wrote:K E N T A R U wrote:[...]"The homosexual state itself results in inferior genetic fitness, [...]
[...]preserving their own genes[...]preserves a full complement of your genes into the next generation[...]natural selection[...]
Yep. Homosexuality is a mechanism that allows the natural selections to prevent inferior genetic components into the future generations, thus cleansing the gene pool. Homosexuals should each get a Darvin's award for that, mhm. I am holding fists for that man.
If that means you'll debate on his behalf, I'll entertain you.
You are right if you cut away the superiority notion,
Homosexuality should wipe itself out of the gene pool by
the definition given.
The problem this raises though, is why is homosexuality a
still re-occurring trait.
I mean, if it was gene based, it would have logically let itself
die out as per natural selection.
This is why I don't believe it's a straightforward gene based
phenomenon, as this man suggests.
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People have been gay long before population was ever viewed as an issue.
Even animals can be gay..
The effect that the gay community has on the earths population is close to none. Especially since because of social status and other factors that go into some one born gay being afraid of the way they are, the effects are reduced that much more.
The thought of population creating or even affecting homosexuality is however verified, in a way. When a mother has consistent male children, her body gets better at recognizing and essentially attacking the foreign (different gender) object growing. Thus female hormones invade the male body and this can create what some view as an unnatural desire to have sex with men.
Even animals can be gay..
The effect that the gay community has on the earths population is close to none. Especially since because of social status and other factors that go into some one born gay being afraid of the way they are, the effects are reduced that much more.
The thought of population creating or even affecting homosexuality is however verified, in a way. When a mother has consistent male children, her body gets better at recognizing and essentially attacking the foreign (different gender) object growing. Thus female hormones invade the male body and this can create what some view as an unnatural desire to have sex with men.
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Aha, the thing is that natural selection and evolution aren't that hasty
Come to think of it, a simple bacteria can have up to 47000000 DNA strings in its genome, and even though I dont remember the number for the humans, you can imagine how big it is. Now, if homosexual behaviour is created by genes, then it should be some variants of gene allocations inside that ridiculous number. Imagine the variety of them~
And since one human lives quite long for fast-paced evolution to take place, this selection can go on for ages further. One genome combination at a time, it's moving forward, but there is still a lot of work for it. Besides, you cannot really guarantee the success of the gene destruction.
Come to think of it, a simple bacteria can have up to 47000000 DNA strings in its genome, and even though I dont remember the number for the humans, you can imagine how big it is. Now, if homosexual behaviour is created by genes, then it should be some variants of gene allocations inside that ridiculous number. Imagine the variety of them~
And since one human lives quite long for fast-paced evolution to take place, this selection can go on for ages further. One genome combination at a time, it's moving forward, but there is still a lot of work for it. Besides, you cannot really guarantee the success of the gene destruction.
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o-o;; Well then... It seems nobody disagrees with thus statement
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