Who really win?

Hey guys!

I was thinking about that battle on valley of the end. So lets look the facts:

Madara:

Still alive for years
Awake Rinnegan
Get a lot of powers (Mokuton, Ems and Rinnegan)
Have a plan in course
Keep alive (And immortal) and 2349872598278 times stronger


Hashirama:

Stoped Kyuubi and Madara( For a while)
Die minutes after this battle ( Sealling Kyuubi in his wife)


The result of this battle is Hashirama dead and Madara alive...


So my question is... Why everybody say that Hashirama wins? Oo

In manga they say it because is part of history but officially if you take a good look on this battle:


Madara > Hashirama.

But Madara himself says only Hashirama can beat him .

Well... Hashirama stoped Madara... but die doing it... and madara still alive...
Madara said it but in the end... the result is what i said...

And... Hashirama die stoping madara without Ems and mokuton and rinnegan...

Imagine after get all this powers?


@ sasuke153: Is not what i'm saying... I'm not coparing they..Hashirama is reeeeally striong... but in the end... this battle... lookg at result... I think madara win...

you are wrong, it was 4th you were talking about .. hashirama deafeted him badly and he lived on...

I agree with Itachi.Byakuya. Everybody thought Madara lost. So they didn´t know Madara is alive. So they still telling about Hashirama like a winner.

Hashirama was clearly a winner, no one told that hashirama died there, he must have died later on.. Madara was living on first hokage's cell dammit..

All at all, you can tell Marada lost. But only batte, he won very much. Senju DNA, rinnegan,...

senju DNA..rinnegan.. not his original powers

sasuke153 wrote:Yes madara is better

Yes, he is better for now. But just because he dowloaded some updates
I hope Kishi will show us Hashirama vs Madara ones.

You can see that Hashimara dies after this battle when naruto talk with his mother... And who is stronger is not the point here.. please... Just look at RESULT of this battle... Senju cells is not a power from Hashirama... is a power from Rikudou ;P
Madara was smartest than Hashirama and just mix it...


Anyway.. please don't start a infant dispute here saying: Oh madara is strooooooonger or
no no i'm fan of Hashirama and him is a god ninja and blablabla....



Just annalyze the result and tell me what you think...

lets analyze:

- Madara and Hashirama was in fight
- Madara during that fight took some DNA from Hashirama
- Madara run before he could die
- Hashirama died when beat Kyuubi
- Nobody found Madara, so they thought he is dead
- Madara get some new skills
- Later he died

He die with a plan to revive... Madara looks like never lose the control of what happen after that battle...

yes, exactly like you told

No, if we analyse Madara is bitch. I don´t think he would win if he would fight to the end. He just run before his die.

Yeah, kakes without Hashirama plus he is tronger now. He have DNA of Senju and Rinnegen plus he is dead and he can´t die again.
When he fought with Hashirama he was just 100% Uchiha, he had no Chanse. He was not weak. But he was not better than Hashirama.
Of courese, he is awesome now. But we speak about past. Not present.

And again... This is not what we are talking about hahahahaha..... Is just the result of one battle...


To be true.. we can't analyze who is stronger on naruto... We should analyze who made a better fight... This is not the point here too....

The point is: Who REALLY own that battle... Analyzing results...


And if this battle goes until the end, they probabily tie... 2 deads... No winner.

What made Hashirama win is just the popular rumors. He just had the support of leaf villages, so they considered a victory even him dying.


But Final result is: Madara Alive (and all that other points that i said before) X Hashirama Dead (Again.., With all that points that i said before)