Re: The Mafia Revolutions [Day 4]

by Thel_JF November 20th 2012, 12:03 pm

yes theres still the possibility of a major stunkata axer plot

by **Crimson** November 20th 2012, 12:08 pm

Stun and Axer as mafia... but what of the other two?

Maybe there's a sheriff who has checked someone and feels that it makes sense?

by **Zeiin** November 20th 2012, 12:09 pm

Well, either that the Mafia thinks that Stunkata may not really be the spy or are just simply ignoring him or it may be Mafia's plot to kill off a useless mafia, (Lars) and keep Stunkata alive as everyone will deem his trust. As for the people who haven't been really participating, they are:

Itachi.Byakuya
analzooro
Satamino
anks95
.::Nakato::.

by **Crimson** November 20th 2012, 12:13 pm

Too many. I assume that atleast some of the mafia are participating here in the discussion.
Also, I think the each sheriff should think about writing a last will and making it public. That way we'll know who was checked and who is who to some extent.

But if stun isnt the spy, then who is? Would the 'other' spy please be a bit more active? Or cooperate somehow? If there is one that is...

by **Crimson** November 20th 2012, 12:29 pm

Well. In the ghost message LG (whose words I believe) said that Stun got contacted by Lars and then by Domin. Domin was a mafia, so why would Stun reveal to LG that both Domin and Lars are mafia. So in other words, if Stun is a mafia, he would have sold out 2 other mafias.

So let's see. Is there any other spy out there?

edit: Wiza, why did you delete your post with your guesses for mafia?

by **Satamino** November 20th 2012, 4:10 pm

Well as some of you might know I've barely had the time to be on the forum lately and because I have an insignificant role, I didn't really feel like reading 6-7 pages.

I'll edit this post to form my accusations once I read all the pages.

by **Stunkata8** November 20th 2012, 4:13 pm

Axer wrote:
Stunkata8 wrote:Well kay then let me accuse lars and get the information I have out there:
It's basicly a list of people that trough my talks with the mafia, I got the expression they are all citizens, because I was told its okay for any of them to get lynched:
Those are A and Itachi, also Axer who was second on the mafia kill list and Bourne.
I also believe Vuzi is a citizen

So is it sasuke153 or Itachi.Byakuya in the end?

It's Itachi I meant - he is citizen.

I accuse Satamino - dunno if he even had time to check the game, but he never even pmed me when I tryed to contact me - so that COULD have been a safe cousion against the spy.

by **Satamino** November 20th 2012, 4:15 pm

Stunkata8 wrote:
Axer wrote:
Stunkata8 wrote:Well kay then let me accuse lars and get the information I have out there:
It's basicly a list of people that trough my talks with the mafia, I got the expression they are all citizens, because I was told its okay for any of them to get lynched:
Those are A and Itachi, also Axer who was second on the mafia kill list and Bourne.
I also believe Vuzi is a citizen

So is it sasuke153 or Itachi.Byakuya in the end?

It's Itachi I meant - he is citizen.

I accuse Satamino - dunno if he even had time to check the game, but he never even pmed me when I tryed to contact me - so that COULD have been a safe cousion against the spy.

I didn't want to risk getting banned from the next game... isn't it against the rules to PM when you are citizen?

by **Stunkata8** November 20th 2012, 4:32 pm

I'll let divi give us a clear answer to that.
BUt my view is that the spy should have the rights to PM and that will make him a good active role - surving the name. If not he is just a "mindfuking" bystander that may accidently get the mafia plans (like it happened with me) - so how is it?

by **HBK** November 20th 2012, 4:46 pm

Spoiler:

by **Satamino** November 20th 2012, 4:47 pm

After reading all those pages:

As seen before alot of people are just bandwagoning, the only person that seems completely trustworthy to me is Skunk.

Just did a quick read so I might have missed some things but did somebody check Axer yet?
If axer is sure to be on citizen side it would be a huge advantage.

As it is now we are still winning, but if we start random accusing like last round or killing persons without proof (yes im looking at you thel) it'll go like last time.

Also what makes A so suspicious?

by **.::Nakato::.** November 20th 2012, 5:13 pm

i don't participate because when you're mafia, you must stay hidden in the shadows!!

by **HBK** November 20th 2012, 5:15 pm

.::Nakato::. wrote:i don't participate because when you're mafia, just must stay hidden in the shadows!!

yep, 100% agree.

by **Divisor XII** November 20th 2012, 6:09 pm

About the confusion on the whole inter-citizen PMing thing:

The thing is, there is no possible way for you to know someone is an alive citizen except if somebody tries to get killed by the Mafia and then survives (when a doctor saves you f.e.). So being a citizen and PMing someone that you think is a citizen can0t and shouldn't be against the rules, because if you f*ck up and PM a Mafia, then it's your fault for being so trustworthy.
What could be forbidden is PMing someone who you know to be a citizen, like when someone gets saved by the doctor and in other cases. That, however, isn't exactly fair too - if the Mafia can communicate between themselves, why shouldn't citizens too?

The only ratio legis (reasons for the low) to this rule is actually transparency. I personally don't really like inter-citizen PMing because then I don't have complete control over the situation, and because I like that everything is written in the thread so it's fair for everyone.

The rule also serves to prevent you from being fucked up by the Mafia anymore that you already are, because PMing a wrong person can be dangerous.

Putting all those reasons into one conclusion: the "no inter citizen PMing" rule is now revoked. Yes, you may PM each other as you like. But be careful.

As for the Spy, he can of course PM whoever he wants and try to gather information. Waiting for Mafia to PM you is not always very fruitous.

by **CrawHawk IV** November 20th 2012, 9:09 pm

Satamino wrote:After reading all those pages:

As seen before alot of people are just bandwagoning, the only person that seems completely trustworthy to me is Skunk.

Just did a quick read so I might have missed some things but did somebody check Axer yet?
If axer is sure to be on citizen side it would be a huge advantage.

As it is now we are still winning, but if we start random accusing like last round or killing persons without proof (yes im looking at you thel) it'll go like last time.

Also what makes A so suspicious?

They don't they don't have anyone else to accuse, the one who started to vote for me (Miatsu) is getting my suspicions.

by **Zeiin** November 20th 2012, 9:11 pm

Crimson wrote:edit: Wiza, why did you delete your post with your guesses for mafia?

I didn't delete my post, it just vanished when I refreshed the page, I'll write it again;
We're already assuming Axer and Stunkata of being mafia but then again the message was defending Bourne, if what we said was true then we would have:

Axer
Stunkata
Bourne
X

As mafia, now all we need to do is find X. There is a 50% chance that this may be incorrect but if Stunkata was really mafia then why hasn't he been killed off? Just like last round, everyone always kills off Axer but yet he still lives.

by **Ksarme** November 20th 2012, 9:34 pm

Wiza, you trying to make me look suspicious seems mighty like something I wanted to pull off against LiGhtninGeR last round.

by **Miatsu** November 20th 2012, 9:37 pm

A wrote:
Satamino wrote:After reading all those pages:

As seen before alot of people are just bandwagoning, the only person that seems completely trustworthy to me is Skunk.

Just did a quick read so I might have missed some things but did somebody check Axer yet?
If axer is sure to be on citizen side it would be a huge advantage.

As it is now we are still winning, but if we start random accusing like last round or killing persons without proof (yes im looking at you thel) it'll go like last time.

Also what makes A so suspicious?

They don't they don't have anyone else to accuse, the one who started to vote for me (Miatsu) is getting my suspicions.

Only accusing since you was the first one to be accused pages ago. Really just a bandwagon move you can say until more proof is shown against anyone else. P.S. I think Sasuke started it pages ago, not I.

by **CrawHawk IV** November 20th 2012, 10:15 pm

Ok changing suspicion to Sasuke.

by Thel_JF November 20th 2012, 10:50 pm

Axer wrote:Wiza, you trying to make me look suspicious seems mighty like something I wanted to pull off against LiGhtninGeR last round.

no simply explain why ure still alive
and miatsu looks suspicious as well

by **Ksarme** November 20th 2012, 11:15 pm

Thel_JF wrote:
Axer wrote:Wiza, you trying to make me look suspicious seems mighty like something I wanted to pull off against LiGhtninGeR last round.

no simply explain why ure still alive

This is the reason. Even when presented with strong proof of me being a citizen, people still doubt me and suspect of being mafia mastermind.
So the mafias don't need to kill me, they hope citizens will do this for them. What isn't improbable.

Also, they had a better target. A certain doctor who didn't protect himself. -.-

by -Shivam- November 20th 2012, 11:17 pm

ah.. So some peoples think i'm mafia.
Well that's nice I think :p

by Thel_JF November 20th 2012, 11:27 pm

Axer wrote:
Thel_JF wrote:
Axer wrote:Wiza, you trying to make me look suspicious seems mighty like something I wanted to pull off against LiGhtninGeR last round.

no simply explain why ure still alive

This is the reason. Even when presented with strong proof of me being a citizen, people still doubt me and suspect of being mafia mastermind.
So the mafias don't need to kill me, they hope citizens will do this for them. What isn't improbable.

Also, they had a better target. A certain doctor who didn't protect himself. -.-

thats also weird instead of being happy that i saved crimson
ur mad
even if i had chosen myself one good guy woulda died
so ur either looking for a reason to flame me or ur mafia and just shittalking

by **Crimson** November 21st 2012, 12:08 am

Ok, since I'm going to die the upcoming night anyways (no doctor to save me, sorry Thel, I couldn't do much better Sad

), I might as well reveal my cards. I'm a sheriff, unfortunately I don't know which one. I checked a few people (exactly two) and they both came out as mafia. Either they are two of the four mafias out there (I'd need a total of four nights to check four people and the probability of me striking a mafia is very low) or I am a newbie sheriff and I got citizens only.

by **Ksarme** November 21st 2012, 12:28 am

@Thel: In most cases (this included) doctor > any other citizen role. That's why I'm "mad".

@Crimson: Um.
It's not that you could use this whole "last will" system to reveal your findings instead of saying that now. :/
At least tell us who you've checked, it might affect the accusations.

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